Comments on: Power Pack 1 and the Backup Database Feature (or NOT) http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/ A server for the people !!! Sat, 21 Nov 2009 16:10:29 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: thenihcman http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-10274 thenihcman Thu, 26 Jun 2008 06:50:48 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-10274 @BillDeFoe If PP1 is "more" than a service pack, where are these features? Per the WHS Team Blog article you linked to, the top four features are Connector, Data Backup, Remote Access, Database Repair. The first "feature" is merely making the Connector compatible with versions of Vista that should have already had compatibility in the first place. As this article has already noted, the Data Backup feature has been scrapped. Remote access already existed-- this is just a GUI permissions tweak. This leaves the last "feature" as a tool that repairs corrupt backup databases-- great to know that a dedicated server solution should require such a tool in the first place. @BillDeFoe

If PP1 is “more” than a service pack, where are these features? Per the WHS Team Blog article you linked to, the top four features are Connector, Data Backup, Remote Access, Database Repair.

The first “feature” is merely making the Connector compatible with versions of Vista that should have already had compatibility in the first place. As this article has already noted, the Data Backup feature has been scrapped. Remote access already existed– this is just a GUI permissions tweak. This leaves the last “feature” as a tool that repairs corrupt backup databases– great to know that a dedicated server solution should require such a tool in the first place.

]]> By: BillDeFoe http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9336 BillDeFoe Sat, 17 May 2008 04:06:39 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9336 @Henry: You sound a bit like a sourpuss. Sure, I would like a simple button that would "backup the backups", but frankly most users wouldn't take advantage of it (I can hear my Dad now: "Backing up the backups? Are you serious??"). WHS does a great job of making it trivial to protect multiple machines from single hard failure, which for most users is a huge step forward (I know that I was always putting off regular backups before WHS b/c it was always a PITA). Anyway, if you do really want to back up your backups, you can still do it; there's even a public MS doc that explains how. I have this running as a scheduled job on my WHS right now; it took about 20 minutes to set up. @O'Brain: PP1 *is* more than a service pack. Check out blogs.technet.com/homeserver/archive/2008/01/06/windows-home-server-power-pack-1.aspx before rushing to judgement. It's a significant improvement -- not an oh-my-god-its-so-awesome change, but then it's being positioned as a minor upgrade, sort of a service pack plus a few new features. @Henry:

You sound a bit like a sourpuss.

Sure, I would like a simple button that would “backup the backups”, but frankly most users wouldn’t take advantage of it (I can hear my Dad now: “Backing up the backups? Are you serious??”). WHS does a great job of making it trivial to protect multiple machines from single hard failure, which for most users is a huge step forward (I know that I was always putting off regular backups before WHS b/c it was always a PITA).

Anyway, if you do really want to back up your backups, you can still do it; there’s even a public MS doc that explains how. I have this running as a scheduled job on my WHS right now; it took about 20 minutes to set up.

@O’Brain:
PP1 *is* more than a service pack. Check out blogs.technet.com/homeserver/archive/2008/01/06/windows-home-server-power-pack-1.aspx before rushing to judgement. It’s a significant improvement — not an oh-my-god-its-so-awesome change, but then it’s being positioned as a minor upgrade, sort of a service pack plus a few new features.

]]> By: William http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9256 William Mon, 12 May 2008 19:33:32 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9256 @Keven Maybe if you got a WinPE CD, you can boot up and just disable the wrong driver intelppm.sys? If I recall AMD requires amdk8.sys. If it's NOT the hardware driver issue, it's possible this problem with your PC clients could be another issue with certain motherboards. Unfortunately, at this time there isn't a resolution as yet. If you get this warning message when you boot up, the issue is the second of these two issues with SP3. "Problem was detected and windows has been shut down to protect your computer from damage. The BIOS in this system is not fully ACPI compliant." As for restoring your WHS image, well... best of luck. @Keven

Maybe if you got a WinPE CD, you can boot up and just disable the wrong driver intelppm.sys? If I recall AMD requires amdk8.sys.

If it’s NOT the hardware driver issue, it’s possible this problem with your PC clients could be another issue with certain motherboards. Unfortunately, at this time there isn’t a resolution as yet.

If you get this warning message when you boot up, the issue is the second of these two issues with SP3.

“Problem was detected and windows has been shut down to protect your computer from damage. The BIOS in this system is not fully ACPI compliant.”

As for restoring your WHS image, well… best of luck.

]]> By: Keven Fiveash http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9254 Keven Fiveash Mon, 12 May 2008 19:22:48 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9254 Despite WHS own data corruption issues, I cannot even connect to my XP clients now, because after updating to SP3, I'm experiencing endless rebooting, and I'm NOT talking about Vista with SP1 here too. Microsoft has so far failed to provide any plausible solution here which has caused my PC to be crippled by the install of service pack three (SP3). I read somewhere online, individuals using AMD processors are at risk due to wrong OEM drivers? Unfortunately, WHS isn't able to restore my backup files at this point. I cannot even get to SAFE mode! Must I be forced to reformat and start all over? What to do? What good is WHS when I cannot even restore my backup images? Despite WHS own data corruption issues, I cannot even connect to my XP clients now, because after updating to SP3, I’m experiencing endless rebooting, and I’m NOT talking about Vista with SP1 here too.

Microsoft has so far failed to provide any plausible solution here which has caused my PC to be crippled by the install of service pack three (SP3).

I read somewhere online, individuals using AMD processors are at risk due to wrong OEM drivers? Unfortunately, WHS isn’t able to restore my backup files at this point. I cannot even get to SAFE mode!

Must I be forced to reformat and start all over? What to do? What good is WHS when I cannot even restore my backup images?

]]> By: Gogo http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9238 Gogo Sun, 11 May 2008 22:44:20 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9238 Very Disappointing to know another feature needed isn't going to be delivered as promised. Very Disappointing to know another feature needed isn’t going to be delivered as promised.

]]> By: Bobby http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9237 Bobby Sun, 11 May 2008 22:40:49 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9237 Very Disappointing News... Very Disappointing News…

]]> By: CWH http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9234 CWH Sun, 11 May 2008 17:57:25 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9234 The comment from Teri: re database transfer interruption. In fact, this also applies to the manual method of backing up your backups, as described in the technical documents. Any interruption to even a RoboCopy will screwyour server backups. Colin The comment from Teri: re database transfer interruption.
In fact, this also applies to the manual method of backing up your backups, as described in the technical documents.
Any interruption to even a RoboCopy will screwyour server backups.

Colin

]]> By: Henry http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9212 Henry Sat, 10 May 2008 20:44:55 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9212 WHS PP1 was advertised to provide features that it appears now it will never deliver! I regret having bought my HP EX475, as I have been forced to remove one of the hard drives to avoid the data corruption bug, since last year. Now, it appears even WHS PP1 isn't going to deliver what was promised before as well. What's there to be happy about WHS when I've been needing to workaround just about everything to get things to function and work? And that's been a problem having to tinker around, as the software running on the WHS to facilitate the Remote Desktop connection will only allow for up to two simultaneous sessions. Which WHS was limited by design to only allow 10 PC clients to be connected to WHS on top of this. Sounds more like a rant here, but these things just are NOT the customers fault here. Microsoft really needs to step up to the plate and do a better job here. And is WHS version 1 ever going to be upgradeable to a better working version two ahead? I would like to know, as if NOT, then there is no need to continue using WHS. WHS PP1 was advertised to provide features that it appears now it will never deliver!

I regret having bought my HP EX475, as I have been forced to remove one of the hard drives to avoid the data corruption bug, since last year. Now, it appears even WHS PP1 isn’t going to deliver what was promised before as well. What’s there to be happy about WHS when I’ve been needing to workaround just about everything to get things to function and work?

And that’s been a problem having to tinker around, as the software running on the WHS to facilitate the Remote Desktop connection will only allow for up to two simultaneous sessions.

Which WHS was limited by design to only allow 10 PC clients to be connected to WHS on top of this.

Sounds more like a rant here, but these things just are NOT the customers fault here. Microsoft really needs to step up to the plate and do a better job here.

And is WHS version 1 ever going to be upgradeable to a better working version two ahead? I would like to know, as if NOT, then there is no need to continue using WHS.

]]> By: Hubble http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9211 Hubble Sat, 10 May 2008 20:32:47 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9211 Windows Home Server Power Pack 1 doesn't have the ability to back up the backup database. I'm very disappointed that this feature had to be removed Windows Home Server Power Pack 1 doesn’t have the ability to back up the backup database. I’m very disappointed that this feature had to be removed

]]> By: kariya21 http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9209 kariya21 Sat, 10 May 2008 20:18:23 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9209 Are you serious? It's ok for MS and the MVPs to talk about PP1 and it's features since January, but it's not ok to mention the fact that "Oh yeah, by the way, one piece of the community's most-wanted (not to mention previously-announced) features got scapped some time ago due to low quality issues"? Are you serious? It’s ok for MS and the MVPs to talk about PP1 and it’s features since January, but it’s not ok to mention the fact that “Oh yeah, by the way, one piece of the community’s most-wanted (not to mention previously-announced) features got scapped some time ago due to low quality issues”?

]]> By: Teri http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9208 Teri Sat, 10 May 2008 20:16:04 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9208 When asked on the WHS forum about what would happen if during the WHS backup database was interrupted, Ken Warren said,"if you were to disconnect the drive to which you copied your backup database partway through the process of restoring it, you would have a partial, and therefore corrupt, backup database on the server". I'm glad Microsoft isn't releasing this backup database feature now, until the issues of data corruption will be addressed. But, I also think calling your customers "horks" isn't polite and respectful here. It's not the customers fault that the backup feature leads to data corruption. That's a design issue of the feature being used. When asked on the WHS forum about what would happen if during the WHS backup database was interrupted, Ken Warren said,”if you were to disconnect the drive to which you copied your backup database partway through the process of restoring it, you would have a partial, and therefore corrupt, backup database on the server”.

I’m glad Microsoft isn’t releasing this backup database feature now, until the issues of data corruption will be addressed. But, I also think calling your customers “horks” isn’t polite and respectful here.

It’s not the customers fault that the backup feature leads to data corruption. That’s a design issue of the feature being used.

]]> By: Frank http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9207 Frank Sat, 10 May 2008 20:07:30 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9207 Moderator MVP Ken Warren stated, "it doesn't meet the quality bar. I know of at least half a dozen bugs submitted around that feature that left end users in a bad place with no obvious way back". Well, let hope when Microsoft does get around to actually releasing this feature, it's going to work correctly. Better late than never? Moderator MVP Ken Warren stated, “it doesn’t meet the quality bar. I know of at least half a dozen bugs submitted around that feature that left end users in a bad place with no obvious way back”.

Well, let hope when Microsoft does get around to actually releasing this feature, it’s going to work correctly. Better late than never?

]]> By: Qween http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9206 Qween Sat, 10 May 2008 20:05:01 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9206 Actually, accordingly from Ken Warren on the WHS Forum, the reason customers will NOT get this backup feature in WHS PP1, is due to the lack of meeting the internal quality bar standards set by Microsoft. Just seems a bit unfair here by Microsoft to make up an excuse that WHS customers may hork. When in fact, the real reason is Microsoft's own fault. Actually, accordingly from Ken Warren on the WHS Forum, the reason customers will NOT get this backup feature in WHS PP1, is due to the lack of meeting the internal quality bar standards set by Microsoft.

Just seems a bit unfair here by Microsoft to make up an excuse that WHS customers may hork. When in fact, the real reason is Microsoft’s own fault.

]]> By: thomas http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9205 thomas Sat, 10 May 2008 19:57:09 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9205 So is it really the customers fault here that this feature is cut, as Microsoft thinks customers will just be horking? Come on, that's just ridiculous. So is it really the customers fault here that this feature is cut, as Microsoft thinks customers will just be horking?

Come on, that’s just ridiculous.

]]> By: O'Brain http://mswhs.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9204 O'Brain Sat, 10 May 2008 19:53:04 +0000 http://mswhs.wordpress.com/2008/05/10/power-pack-1-and-the-backup-database/#comment-9204 "The team will look to add this functionality in a future release after Power Pack 1." One of the many problems with WHS is that all the basic features and functions are missing even still despite third party (Mostly Beta) add-ins coming to the rescue. Wasn't WHS "Power Pack 1" suppose to offer more than those "Service Packs", right? Why did Microsoft really need to delay this "Backup Database" feature? Is this really the customers fault, as Microsoft claims here, because consumers may "hork" their backup database? So is it really the customers fault here that this feature is cut, as Microsoft thinks customers will just be horking? Come on, that's just ridiculous. “The team will look to add this functionality in a future release after Power Pack 1.” One of the many problems with WHS is that all the basic features and functions are missing even still despite third party (Mostly Beta) add-ins coming to the rescue.

Wasn’t WHS “Power Pack 1″ suppose to offer more than those “Service Packs”, right?

Why did Microsoft really need to delay this “Backup Database” feature? Is this really the customers fault, as Microsoft claims here, because consumers may “hork” their backup database?

So is it really the customers fault here that this feature is cut, as Microsoft thinks customers will just be horking? Come on, that’s just ridiculous.

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